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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

So I never really heard how ICD ended, and have heard different things. I want to know what happened from someone who knows. What I have mostly heard, is something with Smart Parts (?)

So, someone please enlighten me while I grab some popcorn and listen to the tail...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

Others will know more than me but here is my understanding. The SP lawsuit did do damage to ICD. I believe the paid royalties for the FS and the PM.

Part of the issue for ICD as a paintball company is that they were getting a bad rap as being junk markers with alot of issues and were not up to speed with the Eclipse, BL, SP markers of the time.

The PM was late on arrival and this turned alot of people off as well.

Ultimately, I think that alot of their demise as a pb company centered around their advertising and QC. I think we can all agree that the FS7-8 are great guns. The lack of advertising and backing by major teams left them behind. The PM was a mess. I think we'll all agree this gun could have been executed much better if some more thought had gone into it.

Basically, at the time ICD stopped pb, they were too far behind the ball to catch up with the current market. They were a mid-end gun producer and frankly at the time the market was getting flooded with ions. People could spend $350 and get an ion or spend $750 and get a FS7-8.

I think in the end ICD chose to bow out respectfully and pursue other ventures. Not a terrible move in my opinion as for some reason their name got sullied in the pb (agg) community.

I truly believe with some good concrete engineering and some better QC the freestyle could have taken off. Some better advertising and some pro team sponsorships couldn't have hurt either. We must remember that pro team sponsorships cost a crap ton of money and I just don't think that ICD had the interest to pursue this type of advertising.

For the record, I think the FS was ahead of its time. If it was released in today's climate it would have done well.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

Now that I've got a second, let me put some stuff out there. A lot of it is conjecture, but I think it's solid. ICD never had to promote themselves. Jerry was on the cutting edge for a long time. the Line SI Bushmaster was THE marker to have back in the day. It was built well, and designed from a players perspective. The mechs, while not the most popular, were still upper echelon markers. Jerry always tried to build a marker that he would be happy using, not just the newest and greatest thing out there. The Bushmaster was the first stacked tube EP marker. Yes, the angel was EP, but they had to use the third tube to house that stupid battery. ICD solved that, and changed marker design industry wide. SP jumped all over it and promoted the heck out of the Imp, even though it was inferior to the Bushy in almost every way. That's where ICD had shortcomings. They didn't pour the money into promotion of their markers like the competition did, and it hurt them. Add to that the negative press they got on mainstream pb sites for having fragile wiring harnesses or kids just not knowing how to maintain their markers, and a bad situation got worse. So, by the time that SP got around to sueing ICD, ICD's market share was already on the decline. SP wasn't stupid. they stayed away from Dye and WDP. they went after the smaller companies, partly to build precedent and partly to take out the companies that could hurt them. ICD had a winner in the FS, and SP knew it. Jerry had some health problems about the same time, and that didn't help. ICD agreed to pay royalties on the FS to SP to be able to keep producing them. They had a sponsorship deal with Naughty Dogs, and I think it would have paid off if ND would have stuck with them. Unfortunately, SP came in and outbid ICD and the Dogs jumped ship. ICD had the PM as a entry to mid level marker, but the Ion undercut it, and tolerance issues with overseas machining killed what chance ICD had left. I don't know that the FS was ahead of it's time, but I know for fact that the 04 FS matched the DM5 in speed, efficiency and consistency. Hawk was leaving the game to pursue other interests, and the profits weren't what they needed to be to continue pouring money into paintball. So, now they are producing other stuff and doing contract work.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

Wow, I never liked SP, and this adds more reason to it lol. Thanks for the history lesson vdub and fivestring.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

I guess, I kind of was confusing saying that the FS was "ahead of its time". Basically I mean that it was a mid level spool valve gun that was as good as the high end spool valves of the time. The only real down fall it had was the weak harness you mentioned (plus maybe the manifold but that could have been easily fixed if ICD wanted to).

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

regulators were a huge issue with icd.. caused over 80 % of freestyles not working out of the box problems that made ppl hate icd cuz their brand new marker wouldnt balance

that and ppl not reading the manual to see how the regs balance

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

One of these days I'll have to let you guys in on why I left and why ICD isn't in paintball anymore. But there hasn't been enough time passed yet.

Right now all I can say is Smart Parts, National, and China. SUCK!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

Well time needs to go faster then! Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

damn non disclosure agreements Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Someone inform me on ICD's fall out

gregicd wrote:
One of these days I'll have to let you guys in on why I left and why ICD isn't in paintball anymore. But there hasn't been enough time passed yet.

Right now all I can say is Smart Parts, National, and China. SUCK!!!!!!

maybe you could just let Colin in on the secrect and he can share what he heard from "a little birdie"

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