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NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:30 pm    Post subject: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

So I have my NDFSP with the HR1 bolt in it and a QEV installed.

As soon as I air it up and start turning up the HPR from 0 bolt slams forward and regardless of how high i turn the LPR nothing changes, just bleeds air out the front.

I checked my timing on the HR1 and it looks good, (blow test has just the slightest air when fully extended per tHc's suggestion)

Both HPR and LPR have been rebuilt and lubed with all new orings.(both are stock)

The bolt assembly has also been rebuilt with all new orings and superlube.

I have also tried using different size orings on the stem such 007 and 008(006 doesnt want to even fit on) and same results

any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

Don't know if you've tried it, but the "THC recommended way of balancing the Freestyles" involved blocking the forward travel of the bolt by putting something down the feedneck like a squeegee or barrel swab while you attempt to set the HPR and LPR levels.

Basically, the Freestyle purges it's HP air when the bolt is fully forward. If the bolt is kept back physically (before you can tweak the LPR) it won't leak like a sob down the barrel while you try and tune it.

-Zero out regs
-Push back bolt
-Shove barrel swab or squeegee down feedneck
-Turn on your air
-Increase HPR to about 250psi-300psi (? I'm not too familiar w the HR1 pressures)
-Increase your LPR until the bolt kicks back on it's own
-Add a quarter more (or an eighth) turn on the LPR and you should be good
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

ill try that, it is how I tuned my 04/05 FS and worked good but for some reason I didnt even think about that, will try and update this thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

Update: Still having issues.

Put the swab down the feedneck and start turning the HPR up, it pushes against the swab and I start turning the LPR and there is absolutely no effect from turning it up.

Any other tests I can run to see what is going wrong?

I have been checking the orings on/in the bolt frequently to make sure they are still seated right and in good condition. Since this was the first time picking it up in 4 yrs is it possible there is something wrong with the noid? How would I check of the noid is blown?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

still having issues with this, I doubt it is the LPR as both times I have teken it apart, checked or replaced orings and lubed it everything looks fine in there.

I am not sure how to check if it is the noid, do I just take it apart and check the internals?

I honestly just want to get this working so it is easier to sell. I kind of want to go to Macdev and then potentially get a promaster as my backup.

Let me know if anyone has any ideas.

(I am also playing around with the idea of going back to the stock bolt to see if that fixes it, but as I mentioned the HR1 looks fine, is timed right and all orings are fine)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

I know you don't think it is the LPR but sometimes everything looks great but it just doesn't work properly. If you could swap out the LPR and it still tests bad then you would know it was the Noid or the bolt. Simple test is to swap out the bolt first that way you can rule that out as well. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

If you have NOT taken the lpr apart and changed the piston oring and lubed it, then do that.

If your LPR is not pushing the bolt back, then something is wrong there. At the least, the noid should start venting when the LPR is turned up too high. No bolt pushing back, no noid venting... LPR no workie. If they sit for awhile, the lube and oring will get junked up and stick. I had to knock a piston out with a hammer and punch recently and once out and put back in, it worked fine. The oring did not even leak.

If you don't hear any leaks when you air it up with the bolt blocked, then the orings on the HR1 should be fine. I am pretty sure the HR1 takes the 008 oring though, so if you put the 007 on it, change it out.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

I currently have the 008 on the HR1, The LPR piston oring was swapped out when I first rebuilt it and lubed properly, although I can't say for sure it isn't the LPR since it doesn't seem to change anything when I turn the LPR up or down, only reason I ruled it out at first was that everything inside looked fine when I rebuilt it, I will check again.

Problem is spending 40-50 on a new LPR just to find out it is the noid would suck. I honestly dont see anything wrong on any parts when I open them up(bolt, LPR, HPR) but I don't have an expert eye either.

I will try swapping the stock bolt back in tonight and see if that makes any difference, if not I will see where I need to go from there.

On a side note the main advantage to the HR1 was efficiency correct? not anything else.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

It is more efficient and some people maintain that it changes the way it feels when it shoots.

If you want to part the HR1, hit me up.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFSP-HR1-QEV trouble setting up

ssechriest is helping me out, Im gonna try a few more things this week and if I can't get it set up properly I may send it to him to tech it for me. Also got a JDS off someone here on the forums so I may wait to try that also.

Will have to wait for the weekend so I can go get some air and test the changes.
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