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Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

Never drop it on your toe.

Before we go crazy with regs and stuff, when you get things back together and the leaks stopped, air the bushy up with the tray off and cycle the solenoid manually by pressing the red button on the sloenoid gently with a small allen wrench. That manually moves the spool back and forth in the solenoid. If the ram still does not make a full cycle, then I am still of the opinion that you have ram issues. If it does fully cycle, then you have solenoid or electronics issues. There is a chance that you have air supply issues, but if your gauge isn't dropping off, I'm not convinced of it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

63VDub wrote:
Never drop it on your toe.

Before we go crazy with regs and stuff, when you get things back together and the leaks stopped, air the bushy up with the tray off and cycle the solenoid manually by pressing the red button on the sloenoid gently with a small allen wrench. That manually moves the spool back and forth in the solenoid. If the ram still does not make a full cycle, then I am still of the opinion that you have ram issues. If it does fully cycle, then you have solenoid or electronics issues. There is a chance that you have air supply issues, but if your gauge isn't dropping off, I'm not convinced of it.

okay will do.. but i will need help with that as it pretty hard to hold the gun, the grip and screw the tank on Razz

But now that I think about it I did have a reg issue at one point, my hpr reg went hay wire after gassing up the gun during one of the tests trying to get the solenoid to seal. My hpr gauge jumped to above 700PSI and started bouncing and i screwed the tank off as fast as i could. and I could hear the solenoid blowing off because it was over pressure.

Also, that was after i put the hpr back together so i figured i put the brass piece in upside down. and changed it..

didn't happen after i did that. but i ran out of air before getting it fixed the rest of the way.. and im not screwing one of my CO2 tanks on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

without air, its had to see/read about leaks.

now, just to go over the gun.
1) make sure that if you lubed the noid, there should be only a light sheen on the orings.
2) go back over the regs, to make sure that the regs are lubed, and put back together correctly. we all have put together stuff wrong, and while it sucks, it does make you learn about the gun.
3) make sure that any and all orings that are holding air are in good condition. if they are chipped, twisted, malformed; replace it.
4) when you do as Vdub has stated about having the try unscrewed from the gun, and manually cycling the noid, just put it on a table. using a remote line is a great help here, or even a long piece of macroline/SS hose, as well as a on/off ASA. it keeps the gun out of your hands so you aren't trying to hold everything.

though, from your last post, i would lean more to thinking that your noid is blown. everyone here has blown a noid or 2, whether its by not knowing, or a bad reg that over pressurized the noid. it happens, and while its money out of your pocket, everything is a learning process. you take the bad and turn it around.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

yea i very well could have.. i guess we'll find out as soon as I can get some air Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

Okay, I have air in my tanks... this is whats happening now.

I screw on the tank. i have no psi on the guage. turn the hpr screw in a bit.. i got it to 200 my hammer SLAMMED back. and the solenoid started leaking a bit.. I backed off and the hammer went forward and the leak stopped if it If i turn it back up a bit the solenoid starts leaking a bit again, but the gun cycles properly... but then my guage jumped to 400PSI!!!!!!

I backed the screw totally out, turned off the air, turned the air back on... got the guage to read 100PSI solenoid starts leaking, gun cycles properly... but noid is still leaking... Im almost positive the problem is one of my 2 regs... right?

As both of them are barely turned in and im getting crazy pressures...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

Okay, Please tell me if you see anything out of order. ALSO the little brass piece i dont' see in your HPR reg break down is shown right between the ball bearing and the top of the HPR.

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I dont' have a remote line, or a piece of macro lying around so i have to wait for the girlfriend to get home and help me cycle the noid with the tray off.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

Okay, so I just reassembled everything after taking that picture. gassed up the gun with the tray disconnected...

I left the adjustment screw on my HPR all the way out so i could slowly up the pressure but as soon as i opened up the ASA it hpr guage said 400 PSI which is the output OF my TANK!!

Next I turned in the LPR and the hammer slowly went back.. but my LPR was bouncing ? like i could feel/hear the plunger bouncing... when i turn the lpr back enough to stop the leaking.. im almost positive my regs are screwed.

no matter what i do with my regs.. i get weird numbers on my guage.. and i can't seem to get the lpr set proper.. im not sure if my noid is screwed yet.. becuase when it is leaking I can cycle the gun properly with the trigger

BUT when i use the red button it doesn't cycle. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Bushmater cycles but doesn't fire

Snug the solenoid to the manifold a litle more and see if that helps with the leaks. Toss the regs.

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