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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

Capitol gain rates are low because they involve risking principal and it encourages investment.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

Crash, you are awful serious in this thread.

I would like to see the tax code overhauled and jobs created as much as the next guy, but when OWS start quoting Marx, you lose me. It is a fact of life that some people have more money than others and those people have a larger voice in the political process.

Bringing the troops home is a nice idea, but if they pull out of Afghanistan, the place will be back under the Taliban's thumb in less than three years.

The people watching while those 15 people got pepper sprayed made me laugh and shake my head. If they ever want to make non-violent protest work, they need to jump in and be prepared to get hurt and spend some time in jail. The cop using the pepper spray may have been a little too much, but not outside of what is legal. The UC school administrators have handled the the protests about as well as Mayor Jean Quan has.

I like the dumb protesters. Great comic relief. Check out this clip from the daily show. The guy at the 4.15 is the best part.

www.thedailyshow.com/w...et-divided

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

well, it's a serious subject. One that effects every one of us in some way or another.

I'm all for tax reform. and while i may get lynched for this I'll say it anyway, the people at the top are required to carry the vast majority of the tax burden while those at the bottom and I mean the very bottom get hand outs, and that is unamerican by the standards set by our founders. I'm not including those with some form of disability in the "hand out" category. If there is something truly wrong with you, you should get help, but that is a small percentage. Problem today is there is a growing sentiment among liberals that gov should create oportunity and make up for a void of oportunity for some. There is an entitlement mindset that had been gradually picking up steam for some time now.

Fiscal reform in gov as well as the financial sector is a must. Gov should not be able to spend more than they take in. In a similar fasion the financial sector should not be allowed to invest more than they can cover. It's what brought about this mess in the first place. Gov spends too much and WS invested more than they could lose. WS was and is still over leveraged. Cheap intrest rates surred that on, thank you Alan Greenspan. with low intrest rates i.e. "cheap money" available investors could "borrow" money to invest at a rate that if their investments flopped they lost their principal and were esentially left with a bill....

Gov did the same thing...lots of tax money coming in so, spend spend spend with the idea your Tax revenue would continue to grow. spend today what we "might" take in next week or year...spending on the "come" that will get you in trouble in your budget at home and on a larger scale it's what we see in gov now.

the reform of all these things is going to hurt, it's going to be darkest before the dawn. we will need to see great financial contraction before we can see real sustainable expansion. we have to get back to a sustainable economic climate.

we have to get to a point where the money we spend is the money we have instead of the money we are going to have or might have. Like spending freely with credit cards...where does that get you if you can't pay it off every month...it's exactly what investors have done and what our goverment is doing.

problem is to fix this it's going to hurt, and it is unpopular to "hurt" anyone. everyone feels sorry for the teachers losing jobs due to a contracting government payroll....city workers, post office workers, etc. the list goes on and on. It's unpopular for anyone to lose a job. we all had a great party through the late nineteys and early '00...party's over. time to pay the piper.

all that cheap money drove consumer spending through the roof..companies expanded to meet the demand for consumables...T.V.s, computers etc etc, and now feeling the pinch now that consumer credit has dried up.

people bough houses at inflated prices, then got HE loans to continue their spending spree.... now they owe twice as much as the house is worth.

OMG it's early and I am ranting... i'm sorry.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

Okay so here is my take on the situation. The people want change but as we see change for the sake of change sucks. Look at our current pres. The problem is when we vote for the right person that person ends up being the wrong person because he/she gets bribed and controlled by lobbyist. As we stand right now our country is doomed to fail because the people in office suck and couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.(I know it's find but I think fight is now a better word.) They are all cowards who don't stand for anything.

Obama wants to tax the rich but the problem is they think rich is making $250K a year. Who are the ones that make that much. Mostly that is small biz owners. What happens when you tax the so called rich? We little guys loose jobs because they can only afford to pay three people now instead of four or five.

The health-care debacle just makes me cry. It is a blow to democracy. I feel like Senator Amidala in Starwars watching her Republic die right in front of her. We have real problem folks but The Tea Party nor the OWS are the answers. I honestly hope the OWS gets shut down. They are Socialists and just want everyone to share and share alike. "To each according to their need, from each according to their ability". Obama basically quoted this not too long ago, the problem is he isn't enough of a socialist for the OWS. They want more than just taxing the so called 1%ers.

That brings me to the TPM which IMO they are the other extreme. They want almost zero regulations from the Govt and for the most part they don't want taxation(to a certain extent). You can not run a country without taxation it is just facts. The issue here is the Politicians don't do what they are supposed to do with the money they are given and when they don't have enough they borrow from China.

Crash is exactly correct above me. Reform of every sense needs to come about. Not hurting people is no longer an option. We need Men and Women in there that will be willing to kill(metaphorically speaking or not) to save this country. This country is at a crossroads of such that if we take one more step down the wrong path we will not survive another five years. We will be dead as a nation and widespread poverty, death, and crime will ensue.

I am not a conspiracy guy nor am I a nutjob. I just love my country and I am tire of all the Pieces of crap running my country into the ground. I did not sign up to defend this country just to have it's legs shot out from underneath it by those who just like me swore to protect it with their lives. I am sick and tired of all the crappy polys doing as they please and living a comfy life when we have people that have good jobs that cannot feed their family. Not all of us are in this predicament because we overspent and undersaved. The only way I have survived is because of my savings which is nearly depleted. My only hope is we get someone with real conviction and balls(excuse me for that one) to get the job done but I know that isn't possible because the people on the ballot are not true patriots nor are they diehards they are just polys just like the last guys.

Sorry Vdub I know you said not to badmouth but how can I speak about this without badmouthing. Besides what I have said isn't all my opinion some of it is fact.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

The rich got rich (usually) because they worked their A$$es off. They were working 60+ hours per week for years to make that money.

When you have Occupiers that say they are in $35k of school debt (but wont say what degree they have), and only work 20 hours per week, there is something wrong. You cant find a second or third job to pay the bills yourself? Or is your hope that if you "protest" enough, they will just forgive your debt and then you wont have to work hard?

The companies keep getting lynched for not creating more jobs. Take as an example a company here in WI. The company wanted to hire 100 people for skilled positions (welders, tool and die, etc). They were willing to PAY for the schooling if they could not find already trained candidates.

Over 700 people applied. Something like half of the people were dropped because they failed the drug test. A good chunk of those remaining, were unable to answer the question "What is one half of one half?". SERIOUSLY?!?!?! That is grade school math.

They ended up hiring less than 30 of those original 700 applicants.

When those people protest, I have little pity for them (occupiers or not).

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

dblk22vball wrote:
The rich got rich (usually) because they worked their A$$es off. They were working 60+ hours per week for years to make that money.

When you have Occupiers that say they are in $35k of school debt (but wont say what degree they have), and only work 20 hours per week, there is something wrong. You cant find a second or third job to pay the bills yourself? Or is your hope that if you "protest" enough, they will just forgive your debt and then you wont have to work hard?

The companies keep getting lynched for not creating more jobs. Take as an example a company here in WI. The company wanted to hire 100 people for skilled positions (welders, tool and die, etc). They were willing to PAY for the schooling if they could not find already trained candidates.

Over 700 people applied. Something like half of the people were dropped because they failed the drug test. A good chunk of those remaining, were unable to answer the question "What is one half of one half?". SERIOUSLY?!?!?! That is grade school math.

They ended up hiring less than 30 of those original 700 applicants.

When those people protest, I have little pity for them (occupiers or not).

You also cannot create jobs and take your company into bankruptcy just so some guy that doesn't have a work ethic nor any responsibility can have a job. Besides these people protest cause they don't have jobs but yet they won't do anything to get one. They won't clean up, they won't take the piercings out of their eyebrows or noses or lips or anything else. You really think a supervisor is going to hire you when you have all those big circles in your ears so your lobes now have a six inch hole in them.

I don't care how progressive casual Friday gets that is still not acceptable.

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sometimes i wish i would get fired. You know that feeling there is something else you should be doing and don't have the cojones to go find something else? plus working for your dad is a major drag.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

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They won't clean up, they won't take the piercings out of their eyebrows or noses or lips or anything else. You really think a supervisor is going to hire you when you have all those big circles in your ears so your lobes now have a six inch hole in them.

I don't care how progressive casual Friday gets that is still not acceptable.

This is so true. Ok if you are a bartender at a night club but don't expect to get hired at Fidelity....if they can even spell Fidelity.

I went through my tattoo faze as a youngster. but i at least had the foresight to get them in areas a short sleve shirt would cover. Now only my wife sees them of if i go swimming shirtless, wich at my age is unattactive to begin with Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

Andrew, no need to apologize, I haven't seen you call anyone here anything untoward.

This is what I like to see, us talking things out and finding common ground as well as firming up our individual beliefs.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

lol @ mayford5...sig'd

What part of any of this seemed like a good idea....what kind of drugs do you need to be on to do this to yourself?


his resume was written on a rolling paper... to his credit it was an extra wide

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Occupy or not?

hey now. self-expression and pseudo-political agenda are two different things entirely. i do hate when someone mixes the two, just because they do not look like you.

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