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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: Joseph Kony

Gah. It's a feel good about something video for people on facehook.
What the heck happened to Somalia? It's still there and still majorly messed up.

Have another video about Africa when America gets involved.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQSjyYRTDVM
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: Joseph Kony

maloneoni: Ok I see where you are coming from and I agree to a certain extent but I am not just referencing him alone. I already know how wide spread this is. Look at the factions in Somalia and other so-called 3rd world countries. It is despicable!! I know right now someone is saying "you can't save them all and if we try more people will die than need to"(Then we are all cowards and deserve death ourselves. For if we have no courage are we really men or just shells to be done away with at a moments notice?) or "We don't have those kinds of funds nor should we involve ourselves in other countries biz." Screw that crap. How much is your child worth to you? I know they don't have family but neither do orphans here in the US. A lot of them are beyond repair as well yet we try to do right by them.

Ok so lets turn a blind eye to all them then. If we have kids in our streets let them rot as well. Why is one child's life worth more than another? Let just start shooting them too. If you are a kid who gets beat and battered and sexually molested and you run away we are going to let you die the same death as a child on the other side of the world because your life has just as much meaning and you have just as much chance of becoming something useful to society. In fact we are going to help you die by not helping you at all. All kids destitute children that have no hope of anything in life you can all just lay down now in a gutter and hope a truck runs you over because that is what you are worth to us.

Secondly...Another War? Holy crap what is wrong with us that we can't even lift a finger to help kids somewhere else. I'm not talking about combat, I saying whats wrong with this guy giving oblivious people the facts. What is wrong with giving money to an organization(after fully researching the reasons and where the money goes truly) to get rid of crap like this. How callous do we have to be to see 6yr old girls being made for prostitution and not even bat an eye.

I have truly lost hope in Humanity at this point in time. I can not see a good end if this is really how 99% of the people feel.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: Joseph Kony

maloneoni wrote:
Yes. Here is what I have:

1. This is not something new. The use of very young soldiers has been practiced in Central Africa for many, many years. I have been aware of it since I was nine or ten. I bought some used books and read about the political situation of Africa and recent African history. I also read several articles about in the last couple of years. Honestly, I stopped because it kept me awake at night. It is an awful practice that highlights some of the worst qualities that men possess. The fact that people are not aware of this and it is suddenly a big deal is stupid. It is not like it is something that is a secret. It is sad that it takes a viral video to wake up the young people of this nation to the problems of the world.

2. This is not something that is isolated to one individual warlord. Joseph Kony isn't unique, he is just a handy example. There are many revolutionary groups and other people that create armies of this sort. If by some miracle, Joesph Kony turns himself in (LOL) or is captured (LOLWHERE'SWALDO), another despicable individual will take his place and might start actively waging war against the Uganda government.

3. What do these people clamoring for his head want? He is not going to turn himself in. Removing a single warlord from power will not fix the disaster that is Central Africa. Do they want another quagmire war? Central Africa will make Afghanistan look like a vacation. Not only can the guerrilla groups of these countries learn from the experiences of various Jihadist groups, they are willing to use children in their fight. Sure, the United States has some of the best, most well armed soldiers in the world, but the American public will not tolerate the fight that a warlord like Kony will give. How many children do you want to kill to take him? It is not a quantum leap to figure out that if you are going after a warlord who employs child soldiers that you would have to waste many, many children to finally capture or kill him. People here get squeamish when they here about a smart bomb that missed or civilians caught in the cross fire. A conflict in Africa would be long, bloody, and costly. I am sure that not only would the U.S. be fighting Kony and other various warlords, but Al Queda would open a local chapter. We already have 100 or so advisers in Uganda. I don't think that it is logical to put anybody else there.

4. From what I have read, there is little chance of rehabilitation for child soldiers. They have no family, no friends (excluding those they fight with), no education, no sense of right an wrong, no means to feed and cloth themselves. Not only have they been force to commit war crimes, they are encouraged, if not forced, to use drugs to cope with the things they do. If you manage to destroy every one of these warlords and capture their armies with a low rate of causalities, what are you going to do with all the warped children that you have now inherited? That is not to say that I don't think they deserve a chance, but it is a huge logistical problem. These poor kids frequently end up right back in a warlord's army after they are taken to a rehabilitation facility.

5. What? Another war? Isn't that what we are trying to avoid?

If Joseph Kony is actually inactive, perhaps it is best if he is just left alone. He is a despicable person who is guilty of crimes that we cannot imagine, but there is not an easy solution to this problem.

amazing answer! I get all flustered when I type or get on a rant which results in me skipping points, or thoughts and usually makes me look 'off'. Anyway, I agree with basically everything you said... I still think he should be drug into the street hung and gutted.. but as you said better then I at what cost.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:29 am    Post subject: Re: Joseph Kony

Mayford, you are right. Compassion does, or should, separate us from warlords and human traffickers. As a national policy isolationism is a lousy policy. To ignore the world's problems is to ask for them to come to your door.

Human trafficking is a world wide problem that really could use to get more attention too. Even here, girls who have been pressed into that awful trade have a very tough time transitioning back to real life is difficult and frequently end up back in prostitution.

Invisible Children does also deserve some kudos for waking people up out of their stupor. Part of what is upsetting about this is how oblivious people are to problems of this sort. It would be nice to draw attention to other basic problems in Africa, such as clean water.

It would be nice to see our government throw some money at these problems, but it seems that social programs are on the chopping block these days. Addressing sex trade and child soldiers seems like too big of a job for a charity or even many charities to tackle. But you are right. To ignore the problem because it seems too big to fix is wrong.

And holy crap, what did happen to Somalia? People that are so poor that they are resorting to piracy? When did that drop out of the news?

I had some of this typed last night, but the old lady was yelling at me to go to bed, so I am sorry if I am forgetting some of the stuff I was thinking about last night.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Joseph Kony

maloneoni wrote:
I had some of this typed last night, but the old lady was yelling at me to go to bed, so I am sorry if I am forgetting some of the stuff I was thinking about last night.

LOL, i know the feeling apparently I type like elephant...
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