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Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:20 pm    Post subject: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

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What's everyone's thoughts on this? Do you expect it to have positive consequences for the sport's spectator aspects, the overall cost factor that might be unrealistic for some teams given the current rules, or the actual "fun factor" of playing speedball style tournaments?

This is all over the other forums, but I wanted to hear the thoughts of people here. I'm a hose fight, tooth and nail type of speedball guy. I like everything left within reason up to the players on the field, though obviously I feel differently about other styles of play.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

I like the limited paint format. I think it teaches discipline and better target acquisition. But I do think there are times to just blow through paint because it's fun.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

I like it. It should create fast paced games and exciting play.

The issue that a lot of US owners are having is that they're not going to make money from it unless they raise the entry price for teams. (This is only assuming that the rules come across the pond)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

I can see owners not making their minimums to float the tourney due to less paint sold, but I really don't have the market insight to make much more than that simple linear prediction. This could be offset simply by more participation, meaning less cost:person would equal greater person:event ratios. In that way we might see the market balance itself while seeing the benefits of less "competitive spending".

The thing that really gets me is that people think that paint will become cheaper across the board if this catches on. The name of this business game is short term profit, not especially just supply and demand. More perishable product sold at one time equals more short term profit (since supply is controlled by the manufacturers), which causes increased faith in the market and less overhead due to bulk, thus is more likely to equate to lower prices. This is just my speculation as drawn from a formal education in business analytics, as I said I lack the market insight to say anything for sure. In reality it could mean a million different things, but it's not idiotic to anticipate that less money changing hands at tourneys will equate to less capital expended overall- who, if anyone, ends up coming in short is up in the air. I've literally left out 90% of the other things I can think to consider in regard to the economics of it all. The one thing that does ring true in any domain is that higher quality comes with a higher price tag as an inevitability. We'll have to just see how it shakes out.

I do like the fact that top tier tournies seem to have become more professional and family friendly, back in the NXL days it was at times laughable. Commentators are much better, less players swinging moods, better reffing, better camera angles and so forth. This cost the consumers, participants, and spectators nothing at all. Sadly, sponsors have become much less diverse which leads to a lack of market competition and invites price gouging, false relaxing of prices (think Standard Oil tactics), and all around unethical market behavior (think inflated PSP vendor fees). We all know ethical companies are a rarity in paintball, and I would hate to see the available capital become even more contested now with an almost singularity of business diversity. This is why I emphasize that it's so up in the air- if it goes one way a million things can happen, if it goes the other way a million other things can happen.

I'm optimistic in respect to the health of the sport, though personally the only way to improve on the basics of the old NXL rules is to add artillery (joke...kinda).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

the paint sales in tournament paint probably pales in comparison to that of rental players. I don't see this effecting the price of paintballs. This is especially true because for tournament play, paint is sold at very low profit margins.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

Ah, gotcha. That makes me more at ease I guess, I know so little about the specifics of the market.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

While I personally love the idea of limited paint I can see that a lot of people here in the states may not, but honestly as in terms of market impact the "solution" I see as being viable is pushing for limited paint being listed as a separate division hosted.

In this way the PSP can maintain the same tournament structure as they already do , but there can be a different but equally viable tournament ladder.

The limited paint format forcing quicker player movement,play, and a slightly higher skill requirement for shot accuracy if coupled with good camera work and different filming techniques ( such as professional mainstream sports such as the NFL employs) might also be a good way to break the sport of paintball to the masses on national television or at the least more coverage from cable TV / high definition internet streaming.

"Cough.Looking at you ESPN, cough."

Now now if Dave "Youngblood" of DYE would just stop using the PSP as a whipping boy/ scapegoat.

Though I could see Bob Long adopting the format for the tournament league he is running.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

the PSP is dead, DYE nearly folded and took the PSP with it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

We've had PB on ESPN before as well. It was kind of funny, I haven't seen as many of the matches that were broadcast as some other people have though. It's fun to watch imo.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Millennium Series Switches to Limited Paint

Yeah Matrix the PSP is in a gods awful state . Dave has run it into the ground, but that doesn't mean that paintball as a whole has to suffer for his failings. quite the opposite.

Bob Gurnsey had the right idea so many years ago , promote paintball get the outsiders curious and optimistic advertise it in other forms of sport such as racing and other public events which already draw established crowds.

and most of all foster an environment of commonality and welcome invitation to new players.

Garnering new players without any of these is needlessly much harder than just biting the bullet and taking the initiative to welcome more and more "new blood" into the sport we all love.

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