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Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

Both of the cockers nobody posted would be a great start. You can sometimes find an older right feed for a $100 or less.

As far as a "user friendly" cocker, thats kind of an oxy moron unless you know quite a bit about them. Tuning them can be tricky (hence the reason everyone throws a pump kit on them)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

back in the old days us Automag guys had a saying.. "freinds don't let friends shoot cockers" lol

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

Ebladed cockers are a much different story. They still require tuning and such, but I've seen sooooo many zerob orracles that just wail on players. I got to play with a guy with an eorry recently, that thing was a ******* monster.-
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

I had a FF millenium with FF internals and PPS regs/pnues and a Dye slider. Best shooting cocker I have ever had the joy to play with. Another dummy sell.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

I like my karni for that reason. Integrated cocking rod, so no stupid IVG adjustments. It's really a breeze to use.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

ha ha...he said cocking rod..

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

cockers arent that bad, ive had mine since 2000 and never had any problems, i love the way they shoot, nothing like shooting a nice cocker, everyone at the field always wants to buy mine and turn it into a pump lol

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

some cockers deserve to be pumped, others should never.

the problem with cockers is 90% user error. if you take the time to understand the relationship of the parts to the whole, it can be a worth while experience. though, i hadn't played with my cocker for a while now, so if you aren't used to pulling the trigger for every shot, you will get finger fatigue. no serious, you finger will feel like it wants to fall off.

1) try to find a centerfeed. they are easier if they have a locking feedneck so no problems with any elbows breaking and such.

2) try not to get a problem child gun. if the gun is timed before you get it, it makes life so much easier, especially if you are new.

3) you want to look for certain parts(Palmer makes the best cocker parts, period): aftermarket LPRs(Palmer, Shocktech, are the best), decent rams(Palmer, Shocktech, Kapp, Belsales , and even later WGP), and 4-ways{or 3-ways as some people call them} Palmer, Shocktech, Belsales. don't be afraid to ask questions.

4) not everyone likes or can shoot sliders. sliding triggers are "old school" and they allow for someone to feel the 2 stages of the trigger. i can actually drop the sear, without engaging the 4-way, but that's me. others like swing triggers. its best to shoot one, to get the feel of what you like and don't before buying one. though, its easier to get a gun with a slider, and then change to a swing(more people will buy sliders than swing).

5) read this, Ravi's Autococker Infosheet. though old(and some out of date info), this is the best piece of information on the net about cockers. i can't tell you how many times i have read it. this will tell you all about the ins and outs and how it works about cockers, EVER. when cockers where the best/top of the line(about 90% of all the pro teams shot cockers, before the electro's dominance).

6) the most important thing is, to learn to be humbled when you make mistakes, and you will. adjust the sear lug, and now your getting blow back. adjust the timing rod, and back block is moving before firing. you will make mistakes. the old guru cocker techs are few and fair between.

7) have fun. be happy you want to join the clan of the mystical moving back block. cockers are the ultimate Rube Goldberg gun. they are fun, cause you see the gun actually working. the bolt, flying back, the cocking rod moving in and out.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

^ Thank you, Nobody. Your post and that website was very informative.

The seller said that the brass pneumatics were in great shape, and they look great too. Just in case I ever wanted to replace the pneu's, how are the ANS Pneumatic Kits? They seem a bit pricey, but are all pneumatic kits that expensive? I know ANS made alot of 'Cocker parts in the early 2000's, were they quality parts? And what would be the advantage of buying a 4-way over a 3-way?

I've shot a pump with a slider frame on it and loved it, so I don't think the trigger will be a problem for me.

Also, I do have a Trilogy pump, and I do love it for it being a pump, but I guess I want a more "real" Autococker. Like when WGP and the age of the Autococker were in their prime, I guess.

And I'm sorry for asking so many questions... I'm just excited that I found a clean, working Autococker in my price range and I just want to know as much as I can.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is a more user-friendly 'Cocker?

ANS stuff isn't the greatest. the LPRs are okay, but the rams aren't great. 4-way is the proper name for the switch. it means that there are 1 input, 2 outputs, 1 exhaust, so 4 ways. its just that people forget that there is an exhaust. so the terms are interchangeable for the most part. one is just more proper than the other.

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