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Lubrication Research.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:54 pm    Post subject:

Thanks

If my deal works, i guess i'll take a trip down to radio shack.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:33 pm    Post subject:

This is the stuff correct?

www.radioshack.com/pro...=64%2D2326
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject:

found the info srry for the post


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject:

Now I followed Gregs advice on lubing the freestyles with gel lube from radio shack. Our sppedball team in Connecticut owns three 05 Freestyles.

We played a tourney on Sunday! Temprature was about 95 degrees with 80% humidity. Two F/S totally froze. Meaning the bolt would not retract completely. We temporarrily resolved the problem by increasing the pressure of the HPR.

We narrowed it down to the to internal guide o-rings on the bolt and power tube. Upon inspection, lightly lubed with Lube Gel we found them to be swollen and creating friction. I know ICD doesn't recomend lubing the rings but dry instalation won't allow the bolt to slide freely.

Maybe this problem is marker specific meaning ours and not all F/S across the board.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:27 am    Post subject:

The best lube for a BKO or the best lube tactics for the BKO are as follows:
 For seals on non-moving parts you can use 3in1 oil which I use and Kevin at tantrum told me to use. It doesn’t do anything wrong to the gun but, if you are scared to use the cheap 3in1 oil you can go to the best lube out, Super-lube which you can find at ace hardware or Radio shack. It’s kind of expensive but works better than grease (grease mushes out of the way during high pressure and high rates of fire. I have been told this by someone with 15 years of experience).
 For your moving parts like your ram piston and valve or LPR piston, use Super lube, which I already said is better than any kind of grease since grease mush’s out of the way. This was proven to me by someone who has been playing with bushmasters, BKO’s, and freestyle’s ever since they were made. So try this.
 If you don’t use a Delran bolt, spray your bolt with Teflon spray for smoother shots and bolt action.
 Also, lube your gun and change any bad o-rings and you will not have to worry about always lubing your gun. I have lubed my gun like this and didn’t have to lube it for about 7 or 8 months.
 So for seals on non moving parts use 3in1 oil or Super-lube if you’re scared of the horror stories about using oil in your electro-pneumatic marker. For moving parts like your ram piston and LPR piston, use Super-lube because it is better than grease. Dow33 and lithium grease are ok but they do mush out of the way after regular use.
 Try not to always lube or take your gun apart a lot. Doing this your can wear out wires and wire joints.
 Also when you take parts of your gun apart that have seals try and re-lube the seal. Same for when you take your noid off of your ram. Grease the gasket and make sure you tighten the screws back in.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:58 am    Post subject:

Some good some not so good! 3 in 1 oil "Definately Not."


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:01 pm    Post subject:

gangsta74 wrote:
For seals on non-moving parts you can use 3in1 oil

I did a whole research deal on this.

Nonrefined Petroleum-based lubes are *NOT* the best for your seals. At all.

Go with Superlube as your low-end; use Dow33 for your ideal.

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It’s kind of expensive but works better than grease (grease mushes out of the way during high pressure and high rates of fire. I have been told this by someone with 15 years of experience).

BS. So does oil, due to the nature of the movement - viscosity (sp?) of the lubricant works both for and against you here.

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For your moving parts like your ram piston and valve or LPR piston, use Super lube, which I already said is better than any kind of grease since grease mush’s out of the way.

Incorrect.

[quot] This was proven to me by someone who has been playing with bushmasters, BKO’s, and freestyle’s ever since they were made. So try this.[/quote]

Cool. I'd love to see that quantitative proof.

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If you don’t use a Delran bolt, spray your bolt with Teflon spray for smoother shots and bolt action.

Incorrect. DELRIN (not delran.. derlin.. delron.. etc..) DELRIN is a self-lubricating material that does not require, and in many cases SUFFERS from lubrication.

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Also, lube your gun and change any bad o-rings and you will not have to worry about always lubing your gun. I have lubed my gun like this and didn’t have to lube it for about 7 or 8 months

Not necessarily correct.

For those who aren't accustomed to the sounds that their marker makes.. clean and relube after a day of hard play, or about 2000 rounds - per what most marker manuals say.

Terry at BLAST (Timmy tech) said it best.. i'm paraphrasing here, of course - but if you get to know your marker, just listen to it. when it sounds off, then clean and relube it. Otherwise, leave a perfectly functioning system alone.

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Dow33 and lithium grease are ok but they do mush out of the way after regular use.

Care to explain why ICD's master tech uses a clear lithium, which is very similar to Dow33?

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Try not to always lube or take your gun apart a lot. Doing this your can wear out wires and wire joints.

Agreed.

Be careful what you post on the boards, quoting "proof" and "experts" - there are many here who will take what you say, verbatim.

We have some EXCELLENT resources here, though - Greg, who was at one point the master tech at ICD.. Harb, who's also a trained tech.. Goldie.. owns vaporworks and is a certified tech.. There are many, many others too, who may not be certified, but who are certainly knowledgable about the marker platforms - Pooh, Toklas, Dyn2Liv, Polemos... Lots of people.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:31 am    Post subject:

Does anyone have any suggestions on where to get Dow Corning 33 or 55? I am having a wee bit of trouble locating any. Thanks!

Nevermind. I found it here --> www.applied.com/catalo...catalog.do


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:33 am    Post subject:

I see your points Darryl so let me change my points a little bit. Most of them are correct. I may have just stated them wrong. Also, these were tips taught to me by Kevin, a certified tech, over at tantrum paintball and ICDOG. But im going to change my points to better suit those who don’t know to much about there gun.

For those wanting to know the best way to lube your gun:
• First of all you have your moving parts (your Ram piston, HPR piston, LPR piston, and if you have a 03BKO your valve piston).
• Second of all you have the seals on your non-moving parts ( your HPR o-rings, your LPR o-rings, the valve seals and valve itself, your gasket if you do take your noid apart, and the seal or o-ring in your ram when your ram is not functioning right).\
• My first advice though is not to even mess or take apart your gun UNLESS it is not functioning right or your hearing leaks. To add to this, do not mess with your ram unless it’s not moving in and out smoothly or moving at all. If its sliding in and out regularly you should then take it out and lube it.
• And might I add that if you tinker with your marker a little too much you can cause stress on the wires which may cause them to break or become week. Also week at the joints or where they connect.
• Now on the point of lubrications. There are many types of lubes out there and I’m gonna tell you what’s best for different types of parts.
1. Super-lube- also known as super gel, you can find this at radioshack or your neighborhood hardware store. Some what costly, but works great. Unlike grease it stays in the spot that it is applied to and doesn’t mush out of the way. But this is only something I can recommend.
2. Dow33 or Dow55- This is the lube that is used by the ICD techs. Dow33 is a grease that works better than anything else. Hands Down!

• Now on to the lubing process.
• For the non moving seals I would recommend you use Dow33 or lithium grease ( I do not know where to find them, so I use cheap 3in1 oil) and rub them on the seals (o-rings). You can also use Super-lube which is said to stay where you put it and work well in temperatures as high as 100* or as low as 45*.
• For your moving parts use Dow33 or super-lube which are the best bang for your buck. They both work effectively and will keep your pistons lubricated. Also, you can use lithium grease, clear is better than the white, which you can find at a hardware store sometimes at a reasonable price.
• For viscosity reasons, Oil is OK but it is not commonly used for the seals used in the BKO/Bushmaster. So if you do use Teflon, silicone, or petroleum based oils I can only say that 3in1 oil and gold cup oil are the only ones that will effectively work. And if I were you, I would not use them on my moving parts. Oil tends to collect dirt and dust, furthermore gunking your gun up.
• So for lube you should stick to Dow33 which should be your main lube, and Super-lube as your back up or second choice if you cant find Dow33 or lithium grease.
• Also on a note, for those of you who DO NOT use a delrin bolt, I suggest spraying your bolt with Teflon spray. Thus making your bolt cycle faster and smoother.

Thanks, Rome Alford AKA gangsta74. A real gangsta from the eastside. 74 till I die.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject:

so many opinions.
after years ive got it down to this.
dow33 and syn oil 50/50 mix for ram, regs, seals, and vapor bolt.
silicone spray(dry) for the stock bolt.
the dow/oil mix gives great lubrication while it stays on the parts for a good length of time. it also makes your expensive tube of dow last almost twice as long.
i have no wear in my markers. the silicone spray works wonders on the stock bolt, you can use it to clean the bolt off then spray till wet and let it dry.
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