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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Boston NPPL

It was good to attend a National Tourney! The different divisions were a learning experience to watch.

I was a little disapointed not to see ICD there. So were a few players who needed their markers tech'ed.

Fortunately I had the handy dandy tool kit in the truck with the cordless dremmel tool and the butane soldering tool.

Back at the hotel I noticed a player, Div 3 with a V7. I asked how he liked it. He pointed out a few problems. I did the manifold mod, replaced a few o-rings, took out the shocker lube and replaced it with the SuperLube and let the kid test it in the parking garage garbage can.

With in a hour I had four more V7's banging on my hotel door. I repped ICD and made five V7 owners "Extremely Happy."

My disapointment came as I didn't see any ICD Sponsored Teams or Tech's at the tourney.

Now I shot, at the NPPL, the EGO's, Angels, Aliens (Bushmaster Knock Off) and numerous other markers. I have yet to find one that matches performance to cost as the V7 does. The V7 weigh's noticabbly "MUCH LESS" than the others, shoots just as fast and just as straight.

Now ICD needs to get it together and sponsor some "NON PRO" Teams and get them to the major events to rep their markers.

A Loyal ICD Customer. Based on "Fact" not "HYPE."
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

[quote="CJLOVI"]Aliens (Bushmaster Knock Off)[/quote]

Aliens are HARDLY bushmaster knockoffs. You seem to know whats up in markers, drop by the alien forums some time and read up before you call it a knock off. Aliens have an independant ram housing, so the noid bolts right to the manifold, which bolts right to the ram. The alien also has the sweep system, which adds a slight amount of gyroscopic backspin on the ball to tighten up the trajectory. less circular, more oval trajectory. Shoot it, cause I know you won't believe it. There are many other features about aliens that differentiate them from bushmasters. Being an alien fanatic, I just had to let you know.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

Combat_Wombat wrote:
Aliens are HARDLY bushmaster knockoffs
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Aliens have an independant ram housing, so the noid bolts right to the manifold, which bolts right to the ram.

Pardon me, but.. take out "an independent" and you have a description of the bushmaster.

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The alien also has the sweep system, which adds a slight amount of gyroscopic backspin on the ball to tighten up the trajectory. less circular, more oval trajectory.

Do you comprehend what a backspin does?

You essentially acquire distance at the cost of impact.. Just like the Tippmann flatline. Yup, you'll boost from oh.. 150ft up to perhaps 200-225 feet.. but it'll hit the target and bounce off. I've seen it happen... to ME. Waste of money, IMO.

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There are many other features about aliens that differentiate them from bushmasters. Being an alien fanatic, I just had to let you know.

So.. for the purposes of this conversation... what are those other features? I'm not one to suggest that ICD's products are better than others, just because I happen to own them.. I honestly would like to see what other features the Alien has.

D.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

OK! Alien had their markers cut in half exposing the parts. The LPR Spring looks like a spring to a Car Shock.. The Valve is identical to a Bushmaster/Bko. Slotted air flow instead of a circular hole (Copied ICD) Weight is way more than a Bushmaster.

Youre right. The noid is independently mounted (Freestyle) but add a tray and you have a Bushmaster.

So who copied who.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

Everything you'll ever need stock. And it's different that the tippmann flatline. The tippmann puts MASSIVE backspin on the ball, so much so that if it's not perfect conditions, it will mess up. aliens shoot flatter when tilted, with smaller paint in larger bore, with perfect bore match... you may call it bogus, but it doesn't explain why almost every player who shoots them notices the tighter trajectory at longer range.
now, on the what features it has.
The 06 alien interceptors cost 610, while the remains costs 910. They both come stock with clamping feednecks (remains has an AKA one), the remains has a cp reg, they both come with on/offs, they both have WAS coding stock (the new interceptors will have the microchip and the new WAS noid), the interceptor weighs 2.35 pounds and the remains weighs 2 pounds exactly with everything on it, including on/off, barrel, regs, internals, and battery. believe it or not, they both have the sweep system. The remains run at 180 hpr, 70 lpr. interceptor runs at ~200 hps, 90 lpr. The remains has an integrated LPR. They both come stock with .689, gun drilled and honed barrel (made from a block of aluminum, not a pipe. These are very similar to the redz pepperstix kit) The interceptor has the very comfortable 85* frame, and the remains can have either 45* or 85*. Alien offers 2 different bolts, one has a concave tip to lessen the force applied on the ball, so it's easier on more brittle paint. They use matrix detents and NME boards and eyes. Not to mention, since the ram and noid are independant pieces from the body, you can tech the gun while gassed up, making it MUCH easier to spot leaks.
That pretty much sums it up. any other questions?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

I apologize if I offended anyone! That wasn't my intention. I don't place much faith in other forums. Read the ION Forums. Every one there will swear they're the best. The sales rep introduce me to a Por Player on a very well known team at the NPPL. He raved about the Alien. Stated he played with one in a NPPL Tourney earlier in the year! My only question was simple! Why are't you and your team using them now? I won't quote their comments.

OK so Alien copied the Bushmaster Valve, Put a larger designed Bushmaster LPR on the cheaper model and a Stock 05 Freestyle LPR design on the upped model. They "Feel" heavier than my Bushmaster's and definately heavier than my Freestyles.They coppied Tippman technology with the back spin bolt just modified it a little.

For $575 you van get a V7 for less that $910 you can get the low model EGO or a DM/Proto.

As far as the trajectory, my V7's land 95% of their balls on a 12" by 12" board at 100' using a fair paint and ball to barrel match.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

The only Alien marker I have ever been interested in is the Monarch (you know, the marker with the trap door).

Alien has a long reputation of not delivering the goods. Besides, I think the ICE guys were ready to sue the crap out of Jack Rice if he did bring out the Monarch because it falls under thier patent for a trapdoor on thier Epic marker.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

You go Spittle!!!!! Couldn't have said it better!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

Combat_Wombat wrote:
Everything you'll ever need stock.

"stock" is a falsehood, based on your statements. The thing's not stock - it's got aftermarket parts out the wazoo on it. How much of it, aside from the main body, is stock?

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And it's different that the tippmann flatline. The tippmann puts MASSIVE backspin on the ball, so much so that if it's not perfect conditions, it will mess up. aliens shoot flatter when tilted, with smaller paint in larger bore, with perfect bore match... you may call it bogus

So how does the backspin on an alien differ? Have they figured out a way to defy the laws of physics, as they pertain to aerodynamics?

And yes, I do call it bogus.

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, but it doesn't explain why almost every player who shoots them notices the tighter trajectory at longer range.

I suspect you're dealing with a good paint/bore match, and little to nothing to do with backspin. As for the players? What CJ said. You don't see them around much.

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That pretty much sums it up. any other questions?

Impressive list of features - although I would hasten to add that you can achieve the same result, for a lesser cost, with a good number of other markers, as well. The Lasoya PM, since it's an ICD related marker, is the first one that comes to mind.

I suppose what I'm driving at, bottom line, is that with an ICD marker, you will get a pretty darn good price to feature ratio - much better, I would suggest, than what you'll find with a Timmy, Trix, Angel, Cocker... or Alien.

I think, when I get all the thunderstrucks back, I'm going to do a write-up on the cost and performance ratio. Sure, I'll have more time into them than most markers... but I can compare a TS to any other bushy out there, which wouldn't have the same time input, and get equivalent performance out of it.

Okay 'nuff said. .someone kick this soap box out from under me...

D.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Boston NPPL

DarrylHadfield wrote:

Okay 'nuff said. .someone kick this soap box out from under me...

D.

okay, with pleasure! Oh, you weren't being literal, were you? sorry about that.



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