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NDFS7 noid "puffing"
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

Hey guys,

I've got a NDFS7 that fried a board. The gun was dismantled (noid taken off of manifold) during the whole initial problem investigation. I finally figured out that the board was the problem and so I went and purchased another one. I reassembled the gun and put air to it and using thcgunsmoke's instructions I balanced the regs. When the trigger is pulled, the noid simply "puffs" (if that makes sense). It clicks just fine when there's no air and the bolt snaps back fine during the reg balancing but it simply will not cycle. Only "puff" at every trigger pull.

Well I hope I'm not asking a stupid question and wasting everyone's time but I couldn't find an answer to my problem in the forum area. So any help would be greatly appreciated.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

i had the same exact problem with the same gun. Turned out the white lithium grease i used on the LPR made its way into the noid and "gunked" it up. I sent it to a memeber here who offered to take a look at it and he took apart the noid and cleaned it out and has worked fine ever since!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

Check your dwell first. Before you attempt to dismantle your solenoid, try pressing the red reset button on the bottom of the solenoid while the marker is aired up, be warned it will fire when you do this. If that doesn't do it then you may have to clean the piston and inside of the solenoid. It's not hard to do but you have to be careful not to lose anything from the inside. Come to think of it, there are two pins that sit in small slots on the inside of the noid, if one of them is missing it will cause the solenoid to "puff" like that when actuated.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

theBroodwich wrote:
Check your dwell first. Before you attempt to dismantle your solenoid, try pressing the red reset button on the bottom of the solenoid while the marker is aired up, be warned it will fire when you do this. If that doesn't do it then you may have to clean the piston and inside of the solenoid. It's not hard to do but you have to be careful not to lose anything from the inside. Come to think of it, there are two pins that sit in small slots on the inside of the noid, if one of them is missing it will cause the solenoid to "puff" like that when actuated.
^^^^like stated i would prob make sure all other possibilities are exhausted before taking apart the noid
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

First off, thanks for the replies. They're greatly appreciated. Secondly, I'm pretty sure this noid doesn't have a reset button. It's the CRCB-0051W model and from what I've read (and what i can see) it doesn't have that red button. When the gun had failed I initially thought it was the noid so I took out the noid piston and cleaned it like others had suggested. Then I found out that it wasn't the noid but the board instead. For some reason, the board was failing to put the correct voltage out to the noid. Anyways, I'll see if I lost something out of the noid and try to re-lube it. Do you guys suggest anything in particular to clean and lube the noid piston with? The last time I think I used super lube.

Well thanks again guys. Hopefully i can get this figured out soon. Got a tourney this weekend.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

after you cleaned it the first time did it work at all? when he cleaned my noid, he cleaned it put it on the gun and got 3 shots before it start to do the "puff" thing again. He cleaned it again and then it worked fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

No because at that point the board was still fried so even if I had cleaned it right, that board wouldn't have activated it. Sad

Your response gives me hope though. Like I said, I'll clean it again and not give up when it puffs even after cleaning.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

If the solenoid is clicking it can probably be saved. Clean it, but don't lube it. Humphrey recommends against it, and whatever is left behind after cleaning should be fine.

Make sure you pull out the u-cup seals on each end of the spool and wipe them out. I can't say for sure, but I think its the lube that gets in the seals that keeps it from cycling.

Definitely change your dwell first though. Set it at 15 to see if it fires.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

Ok, well I'm going to have to admit that I'm not quite sure what you're talking about when you say "pull out the u-cup seals on each end of the spool". I tried searching for diagrams and I think I can make an educated guess but at this point, I'd rather not leave the fate of my noid to my educated guesses...

When I take off the end cap on the opposite end that has the wires attached, you can see the end of the piston which is seated in a type of seal. I pulled that seal out which gave me the ability to grab the piston, which I then pulled out, and along with it came a black ring/seal (with a copperish colored side that faced the end that I was disassembling). I took everything out, cleaned it and then put a little lube on it. I tested the marker and it didn't fire so I stopped messing with it and waited on more responses.

So what exactly did I take out and "clean". Apparently I'll be taking it out again in order to clean off the lube that's in there now but is there something I should really be watching out for.

I honestly don't want to have to shell out $62 for another noid...

Again, thank you guys for your help. I'd go insane without it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:49 am    Post subject: Re: NDFS7 noid "puffing"

id send it to someone else... i ruined a noid that probably didnt need to be ruined.

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